I just wanted to start by digging first a bit more into people pleasing.

You've mentioned a few times childhood gets set up in childhood.

Tell us how people pleasing gets set up in childhood.

And then part B to that question would be, how do we raise our children differently so that they're not people-pluses, so they don't need to come to read your book?

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Let's start with the first one. So how does the people please get created? It happens in lots

of different ways. So sometimes we might find that we have a parent who can't handle our feelings.

So we might have a parent who, if you can picture this, I certainly can, who can look worried or

concerned if we're upset. And so as a child, of course, the last thing we want to do

is rock the boat around a caregiver. So we might start to learn that actually our feelings

upset other people. So we start to find ways to kind of moderate them, modify them, bury them,

disown them, ditch them all together. And I think one of those impacts is of having a parent

who just wants us to be

happy. So we try very hard to please them by not having these difficult feelings. We might have

a caregiver who's doing all the feelings already. Maybe there was chaos growing up and actually

they were occupying the feelings. And as a child in the same vein, we don't want to upset our

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