I guess it's not so easy just to make someone an optimist.

Okay, if we think about the pessimists in our lives, and I've, I mean, I've got friends

that are pessimistic about, it just seems to be their default.

I know, matter, I mean, none of us in our friendship group are therapists, but the

efforts we've gone to to try and make this individual not pessimistic in every situation

have never, ever worked.

It's thinking about a friend I've back home who always, and you still work for me, who

always defaults to just pessimism and everything's going wrong and whatever.

And I, you know, yeah.

But then you have to ask them, what, if you said to them the same thing, I say to alcoholics,

what's good about it?

They'd say I'm never disappointed.

What's good about your pessimism?

Yeah, what's good about it?

If I said to my mother, what's good about being a hyperchondriarch, you'd say, well,

I get lots of attention.

I love being in hospital.

Everyone's so worried about me, people come to visit me.

So you have to ask them, what's good about being a pessimistic and he'll say, I don't

let people down.

People don't expect anything of me.

And so...

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