I really contended with this idea of struggle and chaos in my life and the role it plays.

And once upon a time I thought I was trying to rid my life of chaos and struggle.

I thought that's why I was trying to get rich and get the Ferrari and the blonde I thought

that would create a life free of struggle.

But then I looked at some studies and I heard about this thing called gold medal depression

when Olympians come back from the Olympics and they've lost orientation.

And then the day when someone offered to buy my company for a nine figure number and

it filled me with this emptiness and this dread and I tried to understand the role that

struggle would have to play for me to be a fulfilled human being for the rest of my life.

Yeah, well, the observation with regard to your company, that's a great observation.

I mean, we're built to walk up hill.

And when you reach the pinnacle of the hill, you want to stop and appreciate the vision.

But the next thing you want is a higher hill in the distance because it's the uphill climb

that it's from the uphill climb that we derive our value.

And I mean this technically.

So almost all the positive emotion we feel, especially the emotion that fills us with

enthusiasm and that's to be filled with the spirit of God by the way because that's

what enthusiasm means.

That's experienced in relationship to a goal.

And so in some sense, and this is part of the religious enterprise, you want a goal

that you can never attain, right?

So you can always move closer to the goal that recedes as you move towards it.

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