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The next kind of brings me into a wider point about, and as you say the reason why you're in Saudi is this battle that I know you've had through your career with men kind of

of underestimating your sexism which I guess started when you first got the job at Birmingham.

Yeah I mean I remember my first away game, I think it was Watford, and I turned up and I said,

hi, could you tell me where the boardroom is?

And this little old boy, a little steward on the desk, he went, oh,

director's wives over there, and I saw it's interesting, but where is the boardroom? And he said,

dear, you don't understand. The director's wives go in the ladies room. And I said I said no I don't think it's you

understands I am the managing director so I wouldn't know where the boardroom is and this

little boy put his little glasses on he went oh yes he said yes you're

that woman stay here and I'll find out what to do with you because there were no other women in football.

So there was never a woman in the boardroom and women weren't, you know, weren't welcome in in boardrooms because it was meant to be the place where their directors or met and of course they were all men.

And I remember thinking that it was the very first door I'd kicked down and I was determined that I would keep that door

open as wide and as long as possible to get as many other women through as possible and

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