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You can tell them all day long that importance of repentance, but if you're saying, hey, I'm sorry I lost it on y'all, but y'all are being unhinged, and then you're blaming? Like, what do you expect? Your 10-year-old's going to come back? Hey, I'm sorry that I did that, but were, well, blah, where we teach them to excuse their son if we're excusing ours.

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I'm Dave Wilson.

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We've got Abby Wedgworth back with us today. And you guys, if you didn't listen to yesterday's episode.

Go back and listen to it.

Yeah. Her book is called Help.

I'm ruining my kids, a gospel guide for the mom who's desperate for change and who isn't.

Let's talk about it.

As a husband and dad, how can we as men help our wives, the mother of our children?

When they're struggling, the shame piece, the anger piece, they overwhelm.

I mean, all that, you know, we see it.

And, you know, Tennessee is just downplay and say, it's not that bad. You've got a good life.

You're a good mom. That isn't what you need. What do you need? What's the best thing? What would you say to a husband or a dad say, here's what we want.

Yeah. Here's what we need. Well, I think if we are thinking about our identity as a

sinner and a sufferer, your wife has practical, physical needs. You know, like, that's really

a lot for someone's nervous system, all of that noise and chaos. And I talked to the friend the other

day, and she was like, you know,

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