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This is Words Matter with Norm Ornstein.

We've got the votes and spru the rest of you.

And Dr. Kavita Patel.

This might be some of the smaller moments, you know, with all the bombshells, didn't catch

people's eyes.

Hello everybody, welcome to Words Matter.

That's the podcast that I, Norm Ornstein, do with the wonderful Kavita Patel who is

off in Spain with her eight-year-old son who is playing soccer.

And maybe one day we'll appear in the World Cup, who knows.

But today we have a very special guest.

We're going to talk about the dysfunction in Congress and what we can do about it and

what we can't do about it.

With one of the best members of Congress that I have seen over many decades, Derek Kilmer

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