Hello and welcome to the Victor Davis Hanson show this is our weekend episode so we will

look at things cultural and we have a special guest this week.

Dr Stephen Quay has returned to talk a little bit more about COVID and pandemics.

So we will hear him first and then Victor will turn to his historical discussion and this week as we

promised it will be historian so we'll be looking at Herodotus Thucydides and

Xenophon in the Greek tradition. So stay with us and we'll be right back.

Welcome back. I would like to remind everybody that Victor is the Martin and

I'lli Anderson senior fellow in military history and classics at the Hoover

Institution and the Wayne and Marsha Buskey Distinguished Fellow in History at Hillsdale College.

We would like to welcome Dr Stephen Quay and I'm going to hand it over to Victor at this point.

Thank you, Sammy, and we're going to make a big transition from classical Greek historians to return of one of our favorite guests, Dr Stephen Quay.

Remember, he has given some miraculous and revealing interviews with us about the origins

of COVID and the long story of its development in China and no doubt at the lab and since I've talked to him last

there's been some new developments and no one is better qualified than Stephen to talk about.

He's got a PhD and MD from the University of Michigan.

He was on the faculty at Stanford Law School.

He started six bio pharmaceutical companies and I was always amazed about your current

Seattle-based therapeutics called Atossa, which is out of it's a Persian name out of the

texture Herodotus for Xerxes mother isn't it? It absolutely was and it's

she was the first woman in a recorded history with breast cancer. Yeah, it's in the

Texas Herodotus. Exactly that was that was the basis for picking that name. Yeah. So anytime you see that that combination of

Theta Theta or Sigma Sigma and this it can't be a Greek word so there's not and so

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