I don't know what most white people in this country feel, but I can only include what they feel from the state of their institution.

Now, this is the evidence.

You want me to make an act of faith risking myself, my wife, my woman, my sister, my children,

on some idealism which you assure me

exists in America, which I have never seen.

Welcome to Black History for White People, a podcast where we educate, resource, and challenge

white people about black history.

I'm Brad, and on today's show are my co-host Katina and

Gary. Today we are joined by Dr. Quasi Kanadu. He is the John D. and Catherine T. MacArthur

and Dow Chair and Professor at Colgate University, where he teaches courses in African history

and on worldwide African histories and cultures. He's done extensive archival and field

research in

West Africa, Europe, Brazil, the Caribbean, and North America. His writings focus on African and

African diasporic histories, as well as major themes in world history. He's the author of Our

Own Way in this part of the World, biography of an African community, culture, and nation.

And today we talk about an article that he wrote a couple months ago called the 13th Amendment's

fatal flaw created modern day convict slavery. We hope you enjoy the discussion.

So we have a very special guest with us, Dr. Kanadu.

We're so excited to have you with us today.

And what I always start our interviews off with is the question of who are you?

Who is Kwasikina-do?

Because so many times, as I often say,

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