The work that I do specifically is about having a dialogue with people and giving them a chance to change and to shift and to hold space for as long as they need in order for it to happen.

As long as they're not getting in anyone's immediate way of food, shelter, water, physical safety or freedom of movement,

I'm like, you take all the time you need to like process this. And people, people hate me for it. They hate me for it.

You are listening to made of Human, also known as the Mole Pard, a podcast hosted by Sophie

Hagen, who is a Danish comedian.

Mole Pard. who is a Danish comedian trying to find out how to do life

but it turns out. No, nobody knows.

Mopah.

Welcome to Maid of Human.

I'm Sophie Hagen.

I am your host. I am still sitting in my kitchen my dog Hank is still eating his

breakfast and the washing machine is still cleaning all of my clothes because

this is part two of the two-parter with Rain Dove, the

gender non-conforming model activist entertainer, actor producer. If you have not

yet listened to part one, you're going to want to go back and do that right now.

Good, you're back.

Great. Now you're ready for part two.

Please enjoy part two of my conversation with the amazing rain deaf. I think there's something so, it makes you think about how the level that people are invested in public figures is like they're invested enough that a story about you not having a degree is interesting enough that they can really, you know,

suck it up and like, oh, this is, have you heard? What a horrible person. But they're not so invested that they would take the time to properly understand everything that came together to make this story you know I relate so hard to the

you know people people don't think I'm intelligent how do I you know especially because that makes

them doubt everything you say about yourself and if that has been a struggle to find out who you are

then you even more want them to know that you do know. So I can totally, I mean I often talk about how often I went, I mean I went to university seven times, only a couple of weeks per education, but still I'm like I got in I got into you know

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