The following podcast contains explicit language.

Hello and welcome to the Ezra Klan Show.

This week on Ezra Klan Show, we have someone who it was something surreal for me to sit down with.

The electronic music artist Moby has just released a really fascinating new autobiography.

Maybe it's more of a memoir than another biography called Porcelain.

I really have been reading this book. It really is excellent.

And it is excellent, even if you are not particularly interested in electronic music, though I happen to be.

Because this book is really a story of zoning and housing policy, of animal rights and veganism,

and of New York in the 1980s, 1990s.

What were the precise conditions that allowed his musical genre?

And in a broader sense, sort of his creative world to emerge in New York at that moment.

And he talks a lot about the crack academic, about the HIV epidemic, about what the culture was like,

about where people could live, often in really substandard, probably illegal conditions.

And so in this interview, we talk a lot about those issues and those questions.

I'm really fascinated by the conversation over whether in order to have the kind of artistic ferment we had at that time,

you really need a very different set of policies.

You need to permit things that maybe we would think of as unsafe or unwise in order to have cheap enough

rents that low paid creative types can gather.

I think this is a topic many of you are interested in.

If my email is any judge and if it's a Fox.com traffic statistics tell me anything.

So I think that even if you don't think of yourself as a mob fan, you'll want to hear this interview.

I had a lot of fun doing it.

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