My guest today is Professor Matthias Dutton of Kent University, who is one of the leading

expert voices on a specific topic that has captured the world's imagination as a couple of weeks.

In addition to being a lecturing professor in clinical psychology at Kent University,

he holds master's degrees in statistics. And I know that you're very, very busy. Professor

Desmond, these days, you and I were on a group conference call with a large group of really extraordinary

physicians and scientists about three or four weeks ago. And you and I agreed to meet and have

this conversation because it's an issue that the capacity is in the algorithms for controlling

populations is something that, and particularly the use of fear, that has interest in me for a

long time. And I'll talk a little bit about, you know, why my interest was first sparked on this

many, many years ago. And by you did a podcast, we had arranged to do a podcast and in the interim

you did a podcast with Robert Malone that I think woke a lot of the world up to the dangerous

place that we are now. And I really brilliant kind of distillation of how we ended up here. But let

me just start as a, and the subject is this mass formation psychology of how governments and

totalitarian forces use fear and other elements, loneliness, isolation, demoralization of populations

to assert control over populations and to persuade essentially to hypnotize large groups of people

to act against their own interests. And you know, you've talked about how that kind of

compliance is engineered. And what you're saying is not new, these are issues that have been

documented for 150 years, the control of populations through the use of these devices.

But let's talk about what is mass formation psychology and mass formation have noticed us.

Yes, yes, yes, yes. Well, I think to start with, I never use the term mass formation psychosis.

I always prefer to talk about just mass formation because I think when you add the term psychosis,

it might be from a neticle, a pragmatic and also an intellectual point of view, a little bit

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