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The Briefing with Jen Psaki

Mob Mentality: Trump's Pardons Embolden Jan. 6 Rioters

The Briefing with Jen Psaki

NBC News

News, Politics

4.5664 Ratings

🗓️ 26 January 2025

⏱️ 41 minutes

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Summary

Jen Psaki outlines the GOP's empowerment of insurrectionists pardoned by Trump and the dangerous precedent it sets for future political violence in our country. Next, Jen is joined by Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer for a wide-ranging interview, covering topics including Trump's pardons, her fight to protect abortion rights, the risk of proposed tariffs, and more. Then, Former White House Ethics Czar Norm Eisen joins Jen to discuss why he believes Trump's purge of Inspectors General is illegal, and why he thinks they shouldn't just "roll over for Trump's dictatorial decrees". Later, Jen is joined by Former Capitol Police Officer Harry Dunn who shares his reaction to Trump's pardons of thousands of Jan. 6 convicts and why he feels motivated to continue speaking out in face of the "crushing" news. Jen also shares some thoughts on Pete Hegseth's unprecedented confirmation as Defense Secretary in the face of an avalanche of red flags. Finally, Jen reflects on the various individuals who had the courage to push back against Trump in his first week in office.

Transcript

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0:00.0

Well, it's been quite a housecape of a week since Trump was inaugurated, starting with the president's decision to pardon violent insurrectionists.

0:09.0

Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer once had her own brush with political violence.

0:13.0

She talks about it and a lot more in her new book, and she's coming up first.

0:17.0

Plus, I'll ask former Capitol Police Officer Harry Dunn what it's like to see the leader

0:21.7

of the oathkeepers out of prison and hanging out at a Trump rally. Also today, former Obama

0:27.8

ethics czar Norm Eisen is going to help me break down Trump's late night purge of 18 federal

0:33.3

watchdogs. And later, as Pete Hexedat is sworn in as Secretary of Defense, I'll do a deep dive

0:39.1

into all of the red flags that Republicans ignored along the way.

0:52.3

So I don't think everything should be a five-alarm fire. I mean, even in the age of Trump, I don't think everything should be a five alarm fire. I mean, even in the age of Trump,

0:57.0

I don't think that. But I also think sometimes we have to spend a little bit of time delving into the most egregious things he does.

1:05.7

On Monday, he pardoned roughly 1,500 people convicted for their actions on January 6th, including 600 who engaged in

1:12.8

violence. And he also commuted the sentences of 14 others. So that means all of them. Even the most

1:18.1

violent of the insurrectionists are free. It means someone like David Dempsey, who prosecutors called

1:23.9

political violence personified, who attacked officers with flagpoles, crutches,

1:29.3

pepper spray, broken furniture, and his own hands and feet is free. So is Daniel Rodriguez, who

1:34.8

drove a stun gun into the neck of Officer Michael Fanon. So is Christopher Quaglan, who screamed

1:41.1

at, pushed, punched, swatted, slapped, and choked police officers. And so is

1:45.8

Andrew Taki, who assaulted officers with bear spray and a metal whip. Now, in pardoning these people

1:51.7

and hundreds more like them, Trump sent a pretty clear message that there are no consequences,

1:58.1

that if you commit a crime in his name, no matter how violent, it's not a

2:02.5

crime. That political violence is okay. And that's exactly the message some of the worst offenders

2:09.8

seem to have received loud and clear. I mean, just listen to former proud boy leader,

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