This is the Tom Hartman Program.

And welcome back, Tom Hartman here with you.

Bunch going on.

On the line of this is Amy Vanderbilt.

Amy is a lawyer and writer. She is Shiro, S-H-E-R-O on Substack Inc. that is Shiro dot

sub-stack,

as you B-S-T-A-C-K.com. Her Twitter handle Girls Really Rule.

And the way I learned about Amy is from Judd Leggham's newsletter.

He had mentioned her and I thought, oh, that was interesting.

And so I subscribed to her more or less daily email riff and she just comes up with fascinating stuff.

Amy, welcome to the program.

Hi, thanks for having me.

Thanks for joining us.

You did a really good deep dive into this whole thing with

Marine Yvonnevich, our former ambassador to Ukraine,

and how essentially, I mean, I believe you put it, she was pushed out by mobsters and Fox News

For people who don't know who she is and really aren't don't even have a passing familiarity with what we're talking about here and what's going on.

Can you kind of start at the beginning and bring us up to speed?

Sure, well Ambassador Marie Jena Vonovich was a long time diplomat who served overseas in Ukraine and she had done that for decades.

I mean she has been there forever.

She's incredibly experienced, she knows what she's doing and she testified to Congress in the impeachment inquiry about how she had

started to hear rumors that you know Trump was kind of trying to oust her and

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