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MKUltra: CIA Quest For Mind Control Never Ended, They Only Changed The Name w/ Shane Cashman, Mark Groubert & Christina Bobb – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 587

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Dr. Drew

News, Politics, Health & Fitness, News Commentary

4.3851 Ratings

🗓️ 15 February 2026

⏱️ 88 minutes

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Summary

For 2 decades, a CIA project ran secret mind control experiments on unsuspecting Americans. Many believe their quest for human behavior modification never truly ended — it only changed its name and went underground. Project MKUltra, active from 1953 to 1973, utilized LSD, electroshock therapy, hypnosis, and total isolation in tests tied to more than 80 institutions. While the program was officially designed to counter Soviet brainwashing, it resulted in the testing of dangerous tactics on prisoners, soldiers, and civilians—often without their knowledge or consent. But we may never know the true depravity of its medical abuses: before the program was exposed, CIA Director Richard Helms ordered the destruction of most records from MKUltra. Mark Groubert is a writer, editor, producer, publisher, and screenwriter. He has written for LA Weekly, edited National Lampoon magazine, produced for HBO, published MTV Magazine, and worked as a screenwriter with the WGA. He co-hosts America’s Untold Stories on YouTube. More at https://americasuntoldstories.com and https://x.com/lordbuckly Shane Cashman is a writer and host of Inverted World Live. He is the author of Tales From the Inverted World: Ghosts of the Civil War and reports on technology, land use, and culture. Follow at https://x.com/ShaneCashman Christina Bobb is a Washington, DC-based attorney specializing in national security law. She served as a Marine Corps defense counsel, held DHS leadership roles, and joined President Trump’s legal team for election integrity. Author of Stealing Your Vote and Defiant, she now works with Judicial Watch to expose government corruption. Follow at https://x.com/christina_bobb 「 SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS 」 • STRONG CELL – If you want to feel more like your younger self, go to https://strongcell.com/ and use code DREW for 20% off. • AUGUSTA PRECIOUS METALS – Thousands of Americans are moving portions of their retirement into physical gold & silver. Learn more in this 3-minute report from our friends at Augusta Precious Metals: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/gold⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ or text DREW to 35052 ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠• FATTY15 – The future of essential fatty acids is here! Strengthen your cells against age-related breakdown with Fatty15. Get 15% off a 90-day Starter Kit Subscription at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/fatty15⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • PALEOVALLEY - "Paleovalley has a wide variety of extraordinary products that are both healthful and delicious,” says Dr. Drew. "I am a huge fan of this brand and know you'll love it too!” Get 15% off your first order at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/paleovalley⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • VSHREDMD – Formulated by Dr. Drew: The Science of Cellular Health + World-Class Training Programs, Premium Content, and 1-1 Training with Certified V Shred Coaches! More at https://drdrew.com/vshredmd • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twc.health/drew⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ 「 ABOUT THE SHOW 」 This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Executive Producers • Kaleb Nation - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://kalebnation.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • Susan Pinsky - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/firstladyoflove⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Content Producer • Emily Barsh - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/emilytvproducer⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Hosted By • Dr. Drew Pinsky - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/drdrew⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

All right, a lot to get into today. We're starting with Mark Roberte. I'm in Vienna, Austria now.

0:08.0

We've got sort of wired ourselves together, and I think we're going to pull this off.

0:11.0

And I thought, I need to talk to somebody that's friend and Mark is a friend.

0:14.0

And we got a lot to get into. He wants to talk about the supremacy of dogs.

0:19.0

It'll make sense when we talk. Then I've been away for a while and I was confused about a lot of things.

0:24.6

Pulling away from the United States and looking back stateside,

0:28.6

you sort of see things a little differently.

0:30.6

And one of the things I could not understand is why the supremacy clause was not holding.

0:34.6

So I said, please, I want to talk to a lawyer.

0:36.6

Christina Bob is going to give

0:38.0

me that. And in other podcasts last week, we ended up talking a lot about MK Ultra. So I brought

0:44.5

Shane Cashman in to get deeper into that topic. A lot to get into today. We'll start up right

0:49.7

after this. Our laws as it pertain to substances are draconian and bizarre the psychopaths start this

0:57.5

he was an alcoholic because of social media and pornography PTSD love addiction

1:02.2

fentanyl and heroin ridiculous I'm a doctor for a sick where the hell you think I learned that

1:07.3

I'm just saying you go to treatment before you kill people.

1:11.0

I am a clinician.

1:11.9

I observe things about these chemicals.

1:13.7

Let's just deal with what's real.

1:14.7

We used to get these calls on Loveland all the time, educate adolescents, and to prevent,

1:19.0

and to treat.

1:20.0

You have trouble, you can't stop, and you want to help stop it.

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