This is Seth Silver's.

Thank you for joining us for pant suit politics.

This is Sarah Stewart Holland.

And this is Beth Silver's.

Thank you for joining us for Pantsuit Politics. Stuart Holland. And this is Beth Silver's.

Thank you for joining us for Pantsuit Politics. Hi, it's Beth, and I am so glad you're here with us today. I am thrilled to be sharing a conversation with McKay Coppins with you.

McKay is a staff writer at The Atlantic and the New York Times best-selling

author of Romney A Reckoning. You know that I have been obsessed with this book since I read it back in October,

and I love this conversation.

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Okay, McKay Coppin's book has been everywhere this fall and it has been on my mind for a ton of reasons.

Mostly I think because it's a book about soul searching.

The longer Sarah and I make pancy politics, the more I would describe it as a podcast about political soul searching.

Sarah and I are trying to practice all week every week.

How can we test our beliefs?

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