I think we're a long way from considering whether Ukraine would be part of NATO.

We hope it can remain an independent country, a sovereign country, and kick Russia out.

So let's accomplish that first.

Hello and welcome to the GZero World Podcast.

This is where you'll find extended versions of my interviews on public television.

I'm Ian Bremmer.

And on today's episode, my interview with Utah Senator Mitt Romney at his Washington office,

though you won't see that.

He'll talk about the latest in the congressional debt ceiling drama as well as the biggest

foreign policy challenges facing this country.

During a presidential debate back in 2012, Barack Obama mocked then candidate Romney

proclaiming that Russia was America's top geopolitical threat.

In the 1980s, they're now calling to ask for their foreign policy back because, you know,

the Cold War has been over for 20 years.

Suffice it to say Romney may be entitled

to more than a little smugness in that regard.

I'll ask the Senator, who sits on the Foreign Relations Committee,

about the threat that Russia poses today,

where China stacks up in the mix, and much more.

Let's get to it.

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