Hello and welcome to a very special Empire podcast. This one is an honour of a rest of

development in its entirety. The cult classic award-winning, much-loved TV show that first

stood on Fox back in the mid-to-early 2000s and has now returned via Netflix like a phoenix

from the ashes onto our TV screen. All laptops are iPad or however you watch your Netflix.

Mitch Horowitz is the creator of the show, the showrunner and the writer amongst others.

This season season 4 divided fans, that's fair to say, but Mitch was here to face the brick

bats and also our intriguing questions, shall we say. The interviewers with Mitch Horowitz

in this very special, very funny Empire podcast were Nick DeSemilin and Chris Hewitt and

me, Ali Plum, the editor, Bazzali, at the very end of it. You'll see.

We're delighted to be joined in the part both by Mitch Horowitz, the creator of a rest

of the development, which most notably of course had its season 4 on Netflix. How are

you feeling after that? You exhausted? Now you're at the other side?

First of all, I disagree already. Okay, good. We're off to good start.

I don't know. No, I feel great. I feel I'm thrilled to be here. First of all, I didn't

realize that, and I think a lot of people don't realize that you two guys are actually one

guy doing two voices. I think a lot of people assumed it was two different dudes.

This is true. Yeah. Oh, yeah, I love that one. Now do the other voices.

Can we talk at the same time? That's the real, that's the real trick. I've been working

on this for years. That's why you've never been able to do it.

Three, two, one. Let's talk at the same time. So you can't do it.

It's impossible. This explains why I'm sitting on Chris's lap as well.

Anyway, no, it was, it was, it's been great to,

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