This is somewhere in the skies with Ryan's bed.

I'm going to do a brief intro for both of you for any of our viewers and listeners who are not familiar with either of your work here at somewhere in the skies.

Sarah, you've been on in the past. So introducing my co-host for tonight, I knew I had to have someone come on with me to have this conversation with Mitch because this is new for me.

I don't cover these topics much on the show. I am a UFO podcast, but we're going to see why this topic has so much to do with UFOs and the convergence we've seen.

We're seeing play out in today's world with UFOs, the occult and everything in between.

So first, I want to introduce Sarah. Sarah Lions is a leading occult author and practicing which she and her work have appeared in Newsweek, Vice Teen, Vogue, Buzzfeed and Bust.

She is a recurring guest on the CW television series, Mysteries Decoded and has consulted numerous documentarians and filmmakers over the years.

Her first book, Revolutionary Witchcraft was published by Running Press in 2019 and her second book, How to Study Magic, releases on November 15th.

So Sarah, welcome back to somewhere in the skies.

It's good to be back, Ryan. Thank you. Thank you for having me and nice wrapping the Mysteries Decoded fam.

Mysteries Decoded, Mitch, that was a TV show, both of us have been on. We won't go into the behind the scenes of that.

That can be an out of the mic. It was fun. It was fun. Well, let's introduce our guest for tonight. Mitch is no stranger to a lot of you out there, but for those who aren't familiar with his work,

Mitch Horowitz is a historian of alternative spirituality and one of today's most literate voices of the esoteric mysticism and the occult.

He is a writer and resident at the New York Public Library, contributing lecturer at the Philosophical Research Society in L.A.

and the Penn Award-winning author of books including Occult America, Daydream Believer and Uncertain Places.

His book, Awaken Mind, is one of the first works of new thought translated and published in Arabic.

He's written on everything from the war on witches, which we will definitely discuss tonight, to the checkered career of professional skeptic James Randy.

And he hosted and produced a feature documentary about the occult classic, The Caballion, directed by Emmy nominee Ronnie Thomas, and shot on location in Egypt.

Mitch, welcome to somewhere in the skies for the very first time.

Great to be here, y'all. Thanks for having me.

Of course, of course. So I want to say off the bat, I would follow in your work for a while now.

But I know a lot of people in the UFO world, they might be new to you and your discussions.

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