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Mistrusting the process: containing Congo’s Ebola outbreak

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The Economist

News & Politics, News

4.35K Ratings

🗓️ 1 June 2026

⏱️ 21 minutes

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Summary

Aid is ramping up to the Democratic Republic of Congo, and vaccine work is progressing. But what the Ebola response most lacks is trust of the community. European governments and businesses are wary of their dependence on America’s tech giants; we examine a spate of home-grown efforts. And sticky toffee pudding, a staid British classic, gets a sweet social-media boost


Guests and host:

  • John McDermott, chief Africa correspondent
  • Christian Odendahl, European economics editor
  • Ọrẹ Ogunbiyi, Africa correspondent and sticky toffee pudding enthusiast
  • Jason Palmer, co-host of “The Intelligence”


Topics covered: 

  • Ebola outbreak, Democratic Republic of Congo, epidemiology, vaccines
  • European technology, American tech giants, technological sovereignty 
  • sticky toffee pudding


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0:00.0

The Economist.

0:09.6

Hello and welcome to the intelligence from The Economist.

0:12.7

I'm Jason Palmer.

0:19.2

Today on the show, how Europe is trying to wean itself off American tech,

0:23.3

and the resurgent phenomenon that is the sticky toffee pudding.

0:33.6

First up, though.

0:50.3

... First up, though. In the East of the Democratic Republic of Congo, attempts to control a worrisome outbreak of Ebola are being hampered by the very people they're meant to help.

0:55.0

Medical tents on fire, burned out beds, the sporadic warning shots of police.

1:04.0

Health officials know that safely burying Ebola victims is crucial.

1:08.0

Contact with bodies can spread the disease further. But local custom often

1:12.4

has it that community members ritually wash the dead, and more to the point, they don't trust

1:17.5

the warnings that authorities are giving them. And so you get scenes like this in Rampara,

1:24.4

with fights over a burial. Arson and protest met with tear gas.

1:32.7

It's just one of the dynamics that's complicating a crucial response.

1:37.7

The world faces a huge task to combat the latest Ebola outbreak.

1:43.8

John McDermott is our chief Africa correspondent.

1:46.6

There is no vaccine for this strain,

1:48.9

and the on-the-ground realities make tackling it incredibly difficult.

1:53.4

So there's a growing recognition that both in Congo,

1:57.0

where the outbreak is centered and in the rest of the region,

2:02.0

everyone is playing catch-up.

2:11.6

And before we talk about the challenges that you mentioned, just give us a sense of what the current state of the outbreak is.

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