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Hi everybody I'm Leslie Allen. I am the mobility editor at Automotive News and

editor of Schiff, the magazine.

Joining us on today's episode is Missy Cummings,

a professor of engineering at Duke University,

where she is also the director of the school's

Humans and Autonomy Laboratory, which does a lot of extensive work

related to automated vehicles, human machine interaction and exploring the

ethical and social impact of the technology. And I think that's pretty timely for us Pete because as you know last week the

National Transportation Safety Board released a lot of new information regarding

that fatal Uber crash that took place in Tempe, Arizona in 2018.

I know that you've written extensively about that.

And can you give us a few highlights or takeaways from that new report from the NTSB?

Yeah, in a lot of ways it provides more granular information on things that we already knew.

Like for example, I think this crash has always been like the worst of

both worlds. It's the worst of the human driving world where we have a distracted

test driver looking at her phone and it's the worst of the automated driving world

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