Proverbs says, the children of a godly woman will rise up and call her blessed.

Before we hear from our guest, Janie Ortland, we're giving her children that opportunity.

My mom makes me look really bad as a parent.

I'm joking when I say that, but one struggle for me as a parent. I'm pretty shy, quiet guy.

Leave me alone in a room and lock the door and give me books, and I'll be totally happy all day.

And I have two truly wonderful, amazing kids, who I love deeply, who are both very talkative and very social.

The way my mother pays attention to them,

the way she is gracious with me with not being a third parent,

I don't know, it's hard to put it to the word.

She's always intentional to bring gifts, or when we come to her, she has little gifts for our children that are age-appropriate,

and when we were with them for Thanksgiving, she had made a little bed for each of them.

It just felt really inviting and safe and personal to them.

And I think there's something that Zell understand probably more deeply later in life,

that their Heavenly Father is reaching out to them through that warm invitation in their

name.

So I think offering gifts, bringing gifts, it has a way of expressing intentionality and meaning

to somebody. So, yeah, as much as my children are able, I think they're picking that up from her.

My kids around my mother are like flowers blossoming when the sun comes out.

We spent two or two and a half weeks with them in their home for a summer vacation a couple years ago.

And I could tell the kids had taken a developmental step over that two and a half weeks.

We had family devotions and my mom had this great

thing on the Ten Commandments that was geared for kids and we did it after dinner every night. And I could

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