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Hello and welcome to a special edition of True Crime News, the podcast. I'm your host, Anna Garcia.

Everyone in the world of true crime has a story to tell about a case they worked on or they lived through.

Some are high profile.

Some you have never heard of, but they are all fascinating.

Today's case is about a deadly family secret hidden in the basement.

Generations of the Carol family lived in the home wondering whatever happened to the patriarch.

The story was he just walked away from the family. Well, following a hunch and guided by a psychic

vision, we now know what happened. His murder and the secrets surrounding it are the subject

of a new investigation discovery documentary

called The Secrets We Berry streaming on HBO Max. Our guest today is Patricia E. Gillespie, the director

of The Secrets Weberry. Trish, welcome to the program. Hi, thank you so much for having me.

So this is a fascinating case.

I must be honest. I haven't seen it yet. I've only seen clips of it, but was reading some of the

research on this. And it's shocking to believe that, you know, George Carroll, the patriarch of this family, the entire time had been in the basement of the home.

Indeed, yes. I think it came as quite a surprise to everyone in the film.

Oh my goodness. So this, you know, it goes back to 1963, just a little bit of background here and then you'll lead us through this.

George Carroll of Long Island, New York, vanished, right? He just left behind his wife and four children.

The kids have always had questions, obviously, when people just disappear and people just don't disappear. A few do want to,

but that is in the minority. And so, you know, his wife Dorothy, having to take care of the four kids,

her story was to the children that he simply went to get a packet of cigarettes, which of course

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