From KCRW Santa Monica and KCRW.com, it's The Treatment.

Welcome to the treatment, the hopefully glitch-free home edition.

I'm Elvis Mitchell.

Let me try to introduce my guest, who is a published

author, a filmmaker, a performance artist who does radio pieces, she acts, and she is Miranda

July. Her new film is Cagillia. Thank you so much for being here. Miranda, thanks to coming back.

Yeah, so glad to.

I'm trying to think of someone else who makes films, I think, about anxiety that are not judgmental,

so we're neither laughing at the person nor feeling like they're being used for sympathy.

And watching Cagillionaire, and I have to tell you I did something rare, I watched right away after the first time, which is unusual for me.

It really feels like it connects to the state that we're in right now in a way movies often don't.

Are people saying that to you about it?

Yeah, I have to say, like, after, well, I mean, after I got over my initial disappointment, as we all did, over our well-laid plans,

yeah, I started to talk to people who had only ever seen this movie in quarantine, in the pandemic.

So there was no other version of the movie for them, but the one that

related to who they are now. And it's not like it was a different movie, but all the things that

were most intimate and personal to me that I, that I worried maybe wouldn't come across.

All those things were like foreground now.

They were like the movie, the point of the movie, which was such an odd.

Like that wasn't, it wasn't the same movie at Sundance.

You know what I mean?

It's funny too because I think there's a kind of relief of laughter that comes

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