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Indonesia is now the big player in Nickel.

It's been flagging it for 10 years.

It found a new technology two or three years ago.

None of this is unknown.

Any company that says this is a surprise to us what's happened in the past year with Indonesia being so big is trying to pull your leg. That was a snippet from our conversation with Anthony Curry and Karen Kwok,

who are covering mining giants for breaking views. Welcome back to the views room. I'm Amy Donnellin.

And I'm Anita Ramoswami. And this week, we are looking at all things mining. What's in demand,

what's not, and why prices of some minerals are falling.

So stay tuned for the Views, the weekly podcast from Reuters Breaking Views,

where Amy and I talk to our fellow columnists about the big stories of the week.

And we're coming to you from London and New York.

It's been a tricky time for the world of the largest miners. The price of lithium and nickel are falling, and even metals like copper are not seeing the gains many would

expect given their role in the world's energy transition. It's a complex market, but the issues in the

sector will cast a long shadow and have implications for governments too. Luckily, we have

Anthony Curry, our Australia-based editor, as well as mining expert and columnist Karen Kwok

to walk us through this story. So welcome Karen and Anthony. Hello. So Anthony,

you and Karen have been writing about this, but I thought I would just start off with you.

Can you first of all tell us what we're talking about here? What minerals, what metals, what are we

talking about? What are the big miners talking about most at the moment when we talk about falling prices and falling demand?

Well, I mean, it's name your mineral, metal or ore that goes into the energy transition, basically.

I mean, everyone down here has been mostly focused on the nickel route.

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