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The Peter McCormack Show

Mining Bitcoin with Nuclear Energy with Ryan MacLeod - WBD577

The Peter McCormack Show

Peter McCormack

Power, Politics, Government, Markets, News, Society & Culture, Technology, Society, Inflation, Finance, Bitcoin, Economics, Money

4.72.8K Ratings

🗓️ 21 September 2022

⏱️ 80 minutes

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Summary

Ryan MacLeod is a Bitcoiner working in the reactor research and safety programs at Canadian Nuclear Labs. In this interview, we discuss the importance and safety of nuclear energy, and how Ryan is trying to orange pill the nuclear industry by showing how Bitcoin aids the economic case.

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The growing consensus is that nuclear energy needs to play a critical part in providing society's energy needs. It is both a low-carbon energy source, energy-dense, and (dependent upon operation) reliable. And yet, nuclear only provides 10% of the world's energy needs, down from 18% in 1996. Whilst the IAEA forecasts only a 12% contribution by 2050 in its high-case projection.

The issue to date has been the safety concerns regarding nuclear energy. High-profile accidents have clouded the public's perception of the nuclear industry and influenced anti-nuclear policies in numerous countries. The build-out of new nuclear capacity dropped significantly after Chernobyl, an accident that some feared had come close to making half of Europe uninhabitable.

The reality is that Chernobyl was an accident unlike any other, which indicated the malaise of a waning superpower, rather than an industry that was inherently dangerous. Since then, reactor technology and the treatment of waste have continued to improve. We are now on the cusp of countries being able to roll out Small Modular Reactors that are cheaper, safer and more scalable than existing designs. It has the potential to revolutionize nuclear power just when we need it.

And yet, the economics of nuclear energy are still challenging. High capital costs mean that nuclear facilities need to have a high capacity to make the investment worthwhile. Cheaper energy from solar and wind are adding to the complexity of the issue. There are other uses for nuclear energy that can be monetised, but these have their own specific infrastructure and operational requirements.

This is where Bitcoin mining could provide a bridge. It eliminates the concept of surplus baseload generation, bolstering the economic bottom line of both old and new reactors. And it can do this from day one. So, could Bitcoin mining be the catalyst for a renaissance of the nuclear industry? If so, it will be young professionals such as Ryan MacLeod who are helping to lead the change.


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Bitcoin mining can be plugged into the existing nuclear fleet as it is and shore up the economics right now

0:06.3

because a lot of the reactors that are being shut down are because they're not economically

0:10.9

competitive on a grid that has a large share of wind and solar.

0:15.0

Hello there, how are you all?

0:18.0

You have a good day.

0:19.0

I am absolutely buzzing.

0:20.0

I'm going to try not talk about football every show and no

0:23.0

loads you don't give a shit but we played third place in the table last night. We

0:27.4

played Moulton FC and we won five mil. You'll probably hear my voice

0:31.6

is a bit croaky. That's down there shouting.

0:34.0

And we have some sponsors there for the first time, which was very cool.

0:37.2

We have Pascal and Ian over from Ledger, who came and watched the game.

0:42.1

So that was pretty awesome. We're still top of the table and

0:44.4

guess what we've got 21 points. Satoshi will be proud but I promise I won't talk about football every

0:48.6

week. Okay, welcome to the What Bitcoin did podcast. It's brought to you by Gemini.

0:52.8

It is the only place I'm using for buying Bitcoin.

0:55.8

I'm your host, Peter McCormack.

0:56.9

And today we've got an interview on nuclear energy

0:59.0

and Bitcoin mining with Ryan McCloud,

1:01.2

aka Nuclear Bitcoiner on Twitter.

1:04.3

Now, Nuclear is something that's been coming up more and more in the conversations,

1:06.9

as people talking about energy and the energy mix, climate change, and whilst within the

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