So first I want to talk a little bit about some of the advice just in a general sense that you've been giving to Spartans and people in this community pre-COVID,

and then also what, how that shifted in

and what you've been focusing on during.

But both in, both in terms of your Spartan work and your own practice.

Yeah, so one, I mean, one of the biggest things that I talked to clients about

and that I've talked to clients about for years,

but if I'm being completely honest,

when I first started out as a psychologist,

you know, it was all about just like doing the right thing, you know, like I would be in sessions with clients and really wanting to like say the right thing and address the cognitive distortions.

And you know, like pull out all of the psychology words

that, you know, we sort of learn

help individuals move towards change.

But I think one of the things that I've learned over the years

and that I really make a focus in my work with my clients

is helping them understand that they have a unique

contribution to make on this planet and in this world and so one of the things that I feel like the therapy space and

that my relationship with clients does is it sort of creates this arena in

which individuals can explore elements of themselves, their thoughts, their beliefs, their relationships,

that then allow them to step into who they really want to be and how they really want to show up

for the world and then for them to actually do that.

And here's one of the things that gravitated me towards Spartan

and why I feel like in so many ways the work that I do with my clients is so similar in what Spartan does with

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