Welcome to this on-air with Ella minisode, a little bite-sized boost to your day. Always quick,

always thought-provoking, and always under 10 minutes. Let's go. Nicole, one thing that you

talk a lot about is reimagining our intention for movement. What do you mean by that?

I think movement per se we grew up with as somewhat of a

form of punishment. I think movement was the thing to outwork what we ate. And I think it was very

indicative of often the times that we grew up in. And I think that movement is just part of being

human. And I think that we also live in a world and a

culture and a society that doesn't honor it that way. We, you know, we sit at desks all day

long and we don't necessarily move our bodies. If we can look at movement as an expansion

of ourselves and as a creative outlet for ourselves and a way to express ourselves

rather than something to control ourselves by. I can't even imagine how differently we would approach

the lives that we live. Yeah, if we could untie movement from changing our bodies or untie movement even from exercise, Nicole, I was just having this conversation about how we've done ourselves such a huge disservice by equating movement and fitness.

If we were designed to move our bodies in a way that felt joyful and natural and what we were

designed for, and we've muddied those waters, I think, by making that synonymous with being in a gym.

Those are two very different things.

Two very different things.

Our ancestors did not go to the gym.

No, and our ancestors too also didn't exercise as a form of control. Like,

when we talk about fitness, fitness is our ability to be able to do something the way that we want

to do it. And that is not how we approach fitness in our world. Right. But like fitness is actually,

can you do what you want to do in the way that you want to do it

when you want to do it and if we approach fitness in that way the fitness world would be

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