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Yeah. lines only. What's up y'all, Brad here, and wanted to bring you something today that is short but sweet and hopefully good.

And that's a mini interview with Dr. Ruth Bronstein, who is the creator of a new podcast called When the Wolves Came.

The podcast is a six-part podcast that really follows the rise of Christian nationalism, which is, of course,

a story we've heard many times before, but it goes inside evangelical churches where this

Maga Church movement has arisen over the last decade. The story is really one of evangelicals

inside the movement who have decided to resist the

Maga extremism and reverence of Donald Trump.

And I'm not going to lie to everybody.

It's going to be really up front.

I think there are stories out there of this kind of quote unquote evangelical resistance. And not all of them

are really compelling to me and not all of the things that are being made about this kind of story

are compelling to me. And I think one of the reasons is there's sometimes an effort to

whitewash them a little bit, to kind of make certain evangelicals not complicit in what's

happened over the last decade in their churches and in our politics.

But today I bring you somebody who I think is able to tell that story with nuance and to do it in a way that doesn't look

to remove the burden of responsibility from certain people. But instead, tries to provide a little

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