The Hello and welcome to the coding the gurus the podcast we're an anthropologist and

a psychologist listen to the greatest minds the world has to offer and we try to

understand what they're talking about I I'm Matt Brown, I'm the psychologist. With me is Chris

Kavanaugh, he's the anthropologist, and today we are going to do mini-decoding charting the, well, dissent, I think we might have to call it, Chris, of one of our favorite stellar

shining lights in the Geros fear. Jordan B. Peterson.

That's correct.

He was somebody that we covered early in the show.

I think our further fourth episode was Jordan and he's cropped up multiple times

Since then but most recently he conducted an interview on streaming politics and philosophy with Destiny, Stephen Borneal.

He had a sit down and ended up saying a variety of unhinged things that we will cover.

But one interesting aspect of it was to consider just a little bit where Jordan has come from over the course of us covering him.

So we'll see today where he is today and we'll look a little bit, just a couple of times at previous clips from earlier content that we looked at and I think you can see a lot of the seeds but you can also see a difference

quite clearly in the presentation that if not all of the

aspects of the content.

Yes, it's a it's a pattern we've seen multiple times with our

gurus the the tendency to have this trajectory and we're still well we'll talk about it but we go

backwards and forwards as to whether or not it's indicative of some sort of

psychological issue on the part of the guru or whether it's maybe the financial and

social and attention dynamics that inevitably drives them in that direction so

so we'll see but I remember Chris when we first covered

Jordan Peterson like we we looked at his book 12 for life and you know I I think we

were pretty moderate in our evaluation we didn didn't love him, but I think we, like I don't, I don't think he was in our class of the worst type of guru. Am I remembering wrong?

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