Hi and welcome to the working songwriter, the show where today's best songwriters come to talk shop.

I'm your host, Joe Pug.

Each episode here, we host a distinguished guest, and we ask them to go deep, on their

inspiration, on their process, on the general ups and downs of making a life in music.

So, whether you're a grizzled veteran, trying to sell your provost tour bus on Facebook marketplace to cover your gambling losses, or else a scrappy upstart, trying to make a living reselling boss chorus pedals on reverb.

This is your show, because ultimately it is what every writer seeks most, an iron-clad excuse to put off actually writing.

Hey, everybody, thanks for joining us.

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