🇺🇦 Mind Control — Why Millions Think Russia is Winning

This Is Not A Drill with Gavin Esler

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🗓️ 14 June 2022

⏱️ 34 minutes

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Those in the West would be forgiven for thinking Ukraine is winning the information war, with slick videos of President Zelenskyy appearing all over social media. However for those in the Global South, the content they consume about the war is much more pro-Russia. To explain this phenomenon and the wider context, Carl Miller, Research Director at the Demos Centre for the Analysis of Social Media, joins Arthur Snell for another War Bulletin. We're putting out irregular war bulletins covering different aspects of the Ukraine crisis. You can support our work on the crowdfunding app Patreon: doomsdaywatch.co.uk Resources to help the Ukrainian people can be found here: https://ukrainewar.carrd.co/ “Wrenching heartbreak for Ukraine is completely unbroken on my social media feeds.” ”Russia and China have tried to meddle in open information spaces to manipulate the world's view of them.” “You only have to Google ’buy retweets‘ to see how readily available these services are. It's not expensive for states to run these campaigns.” ”We need widen the array of responses to this tradecraft, beyond platform takedown, digital literacy campaigns and journalistic exposé.” ”Western governments need to support ways for Russian citizens to access information that already exists. Let them use Wikipedia.” DOOMSDAY WATCH was written and presented by Arthur Snell, and produced by Robin Leeburn with Jacob Archbold. Theme tune and original music by Paul Hartnoll. Group Editor: Andrew Harrison. DOOMSDAY WATCH is a Podmasters production Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0	I'm Arthur Snell, a major war is taking place on the European continent with Russia's
0:07.3	invasion of Ukraine bringing you a series of special episodes to help you understand
0:12.3	the crisis as it unfolds. This is Doomsday Watch.
0:21.7	Welcome back to Doomsday Watch. We hope you're finding these war bulletins valuable. A
0:26.7	quick reminder that you can support our work on the crowdfunding app Patreon from as
0:31.2	little as £3 per month. Just search Patreon Doomsday Watch or follow the link in the show
0:37.1	notes.
0:40.8	One of the biggest questions surrounding Russia's invasion of Ukraine and Russia's
0:45.2	overseas activity more generally is the question of information war and particularly Russia's
0:51.1	facility with social media. However, Western countries observing the war in Ukraine might
0:57.1	be forgiven for thinking that the Ukrainians are winning that war with their slickly produced
1:01.9	videos of President Zelensky and other senior Ukrainians. But that is not the case for people
1:07.8	in the global south consuming a very different diet of information about this conflict.
1:12.5	To help us understand that and the wider context, I'm delighted to be joined by Karl Miller,
1:18.1	who's head of research at El Nino, a social media intelligence firm, which helps businesses
1:23.6	and governments to detect and respond to disinformation and online manipulation. Karl,
1:29.1	welcome.
1:30.1	Hi there, everyone. Thanks for having me on.
1:32.1	Well, thank you for joining us. Karl, there's a lot going on in this. And as I said there
1:37.4	at the outset, if you're sitting in a Western country, even if you are sympathetic to the
1:44.0	Ukrainian side in this conflict, and I'm sure most of my listeners are, you're going
1:49.5	to conclude that Ukraine is winning the information war. But is it as simple as that?
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