So I think that for millennials, we have only known that post-Ninke-Gingeritz government.

All we have known is deadlock and like dirty tricks and not bringing the Supreme Court

nominee to for consideration, you know, like all of these different things that we now

associate with government.

So it's so difficult for us to even conceive of it being different.

But at the same time, the messaging that we're given whenever something happens that we,

as the people, right, as the Democratic force disagree with, it's like call your senators

or call, you know, try to go to a town hall, but a lot of those things are shut off.

This is Sarah from the Left and Beth from the Right.

You're listening to Pantsuit Politics.

No shouting, no insults, plenty of new ones.

Hello, everyone.

Happy Friday.

Welcome to today's episode of Pantsuit Politics.

Today's going to be a little different because we had a very lengthy conversation with Sarah's

absolute favorite Anne Helen Peterson.

Sarah, would you like to...

I mean, it's like a dream come true.

It's just a dream come...

This podcast is different because it's a dream come true.

I talk about this a little bit in the interview, but I followed Anne for a very long time.

She's probably my number one most favorite writer on the internet.

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