This is LBC from global, leading Britain's conversation with James O'Brien.

Hello, three minutes after ten is the time. You're listening to James O'Brien on LBC. Don't laugh, but I just had one of those moments where I wondered whether the conversation I'm hoping to have in the second hour of the programme actually, actually is linked to the conversation I want to have in the first half.

We're staying largely in the shallow end this morning with the obvious caveat that the funeral and indeed the passing of Prince Philip, the Duke of Edinburgh, is a serious matter, a serious and important

matter. But the conversation about what his grandsons and sons are going to wear to his funeral

is, and if this gets me taken to the tower, then thank you for the memories. It's been emotional.

It's ridiculous, frankly. And we shall explore why shortly. In the second part of the conversation this morning, I'm leaning towards asking why people are so scared of history in the context of this ongoing attack upon the National Trust. Again, something that I'm sure a few years ago, if you'd suggested to me that people would be attacking the National Trust for doing too much history, I'd have laughed at you. You perhaps laughed at me. One of the predictions I've got wrong over the last few years was that Donald Trump would turn up one day wearing a uniform. And when I made that observation, that prediction, partly tongue-in-cheek, but hand-on-art, I would not have been staggered if he had done. Maybe if he'd won the second election, he might have flexed

that sartorial muscle. But when I made the joke, I was sort of thinking of North Korea or

a, um, uh, Sasha Baron Cohen's film, The Dictator.

In fact, you know, the...

The idea of wearing a uniform because of an accident of birth

as opposed to because of something you've actually done

or indeed because of a political advance

as opposed to a military action is a bit absurd.

I know that people who believe in things like cancel culture and culture wars don't think

that anyone should ever be allowed to question or query age-old, centuries-old tradition.

That's why I think this might be linked in a loose and roundabout

way to a conversation about why so many people are so frightened or indeed angry about our history,

frightened of people learning more about their own country's history. Now, that's an astonishing

state of affairs for someone who always thought he lived in one of the most open and forward-looking countries on the planet.

But the conversation about uniforms at the funeral is one that we are going to have today.

I don't know. I listen to Nick, and I don't think he got to the bottom of this one either.

I thought it was a relatively straightforward question, but I haven't actually been able to get an answer.

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