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Military lawyers will serve as immigration judges as courts face massive backlog

PBS News Hour - Segments

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🗓️ 2 September 2025

⏱️ 5 minutes

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The Trump administration will temporarily assign military lawyers to act as judges in immigration cases. Geoff Bennett discussed questions surrounding the move with James McPherson. He was the undersecretary of the Army during the first Trump administration, and also had a 25-year career in the Navy, where he served as that service's top lawyer in uniform. PBS News is supported by - https://www.pbs.org/newshour/about/funders. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy

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0:00.0

The Trump administration will temporarily assign military lawyers to act as judges in immigration cases.

0:07.0

A statement released by the Pentagon spokesperson says at the request of the Department of Justice,

0:12.4

the Department of Defense is identifying qualified judge advocates and civilian attorneys for details to serve as temporary immigration judges.

0:20.8

These DOD attorneys will augment

0:22.8

existing resources to help further combat a backlog of cases by presiding over immigration hearings.

0:29.4

There are a number of questions about the implications of this novel move, and for that we turn to

0:34.5

James McPherson. He was the Undersecretary of the Army during the

0:38.2

first Trump administration and also had a 25-year career in the Navy where he served as that

0:42.7

service's top lawyer in uniform. Thank you for being with us. And before we get to the implications,

0:47.7

I have to ask, in your view, is this legal, the expansion of the U.S. military into a civilian

0:53.7

judicial process? Well, there's certainly a lot of the U.S. military into a civilian judicial process?

0:56.7

Well, there's certainly a lot of legal issues that is raised by this decision, not the least of

1:01.9

which is whether or not it's appropriate to appoint a commissioned officer in the military to these

1:07.4

positions, whether or not it violates the Posse Comitatis Act. There are some old

1:11.7

office illegal counsel opinions out of the Department of Justice that indicate it is legal, but in a

1:18.0

very narrow sense. And whether that narrow sense is met by appointing them as temporary immigration

1:23.7

judges is yet to be seen. Well, how do the courtroom and administrative law skills

1:30.2

that JAG lawyers develop in the military? How does that translate into serving as temporary

1:35.4

immigration judges when immigration law is so specialized in complex? As you said, it is very

1:42.4

specialized and complex. What's very interesting is Thursday of last week, the Department of Justice changed the rules

1:48.4

with regard who's qualified to be a temporary immigration judge.

1:52.4

Prior to Thursday of last week, it required that they be a retired immigration judge

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