Welcome to the Bullwork podcast. I'm Charlie Sykes. It is the day after we learned that Donald

Trump got the formal target letter saying that he is going to be indicted for his role in the

attempted coup of January 6. So joining us today, Miles Taylor, former chief of staff at the

Department of Homeland Security during the Trump administration, you might remember that he was

the anonymous writer of the New York Times op-ed in 2018, with the list titled, I am part of

the resistance inside the Trump administration. He followed that up with the book, A Warning,

in 2019, and then unmasked himself on October 2020. He is now the author of the brand new book,

Blowback, a warning to save democracy from the next Trump and he joins us from a street in New

York City. Well, I mean, this feels like it's a cinema veritate, Miles.

Yeah, well, if you hear any of the background noise, that's the texture of being in New York.

Right. I mean, it is real. You know, we are occasionally accused of suffering from Trump

derangement syndrome and it occurs to me reading through your book that the problem is not that

we have Trump derangement syndrome, which I'm willing to fast up to is that we don't have enough

of it. I mean, I'm not easily scared, but you lay out in the book exactly what Trump 2.0

would be like. And I want to get to that in a moment, including some of the dazzling anecdotes

you have from Trump 1.0. But let's just talk about the reaction to the news of the potential

indictment related to January 6th. And I guess the big question was, would Trump ever be held accountable

for what what happened? So what is your reaction now to the fact that we are apparently days away

from Jack Smith dropping the big one on Donald Trump? Is Donald Trump ever going to be held accountable

for this? Well, you know, Charlie, I think an indictment in this case was almost inevitable.

It's really clear to the layman that the ex president did something that was in contravention

of the US Constitution and fomenting an insurrection against the United States. So in my view,

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