Mike Wilson: Financial Repression Is Alive and Well
Thoughts on the Market
Morgan Stanley
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🗓️ 18 May 2020
⏱️ 4 minutes
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Summary
Current stock market price patterns look surprisingly similar to 2009 and the global financial crisis. The big difference for investors may be the knock-on effect of low interest rates.
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| 0:00.0 | Welcome to Thoughts on the market. I'm Mike Wilson, Chief Investment Officer and Chief |
| 0:06.2 | U.S. Equity Strategist for Morgan Stanley. Along with my colleagues bringing you a variety |
| 0:10.1 | of perspectives, I'll be talking about the latest trends in the financial marketplace. |
| 0:14.0 | It's Monday, May 18th at 1130 a.m. in New York, so let's get after it. |
| 0:19.0 | After a sharp 30% rally in stocks on the March lows, most equity indices have struggled to make much progress over the past month. |
| 0:26.8 | Concerns have ranged from risks related to the reopening of the economy to stretched valuations. |
| 0:32.1 | Such consolidations are normal, however, after a sharp rally and part of the |
| 0:36.2 | bottoming process in our view. In fact, we looked at the 2009 experience to compare and contrast |
| 0:41.7 | with today's market actions. |
| 0:43.2 | What we found was not surprising but remarkable nonetheless. |
| 0:46.3 | First, stock price patterns look very similar to what happened after prices bottomed in March of 2009. |
| 0:52.0 | Using the S&P 500 as a proxy for global equity markets, the pattern |
| 0:55.9 | is eerily similar. Second, while this rally may appear narrow to some, small cap stocks |
| 1:01.7 | and broader indices have actually outperformed a larger, higher quality |
| 1:05.5 | S&P 500 benchmark. This too is similar to what happened in 2009. Furthermore, we've seen several |
| 1:11.6 | early cycle sectors and stocks begin to outperform, which is what typically happens in a recession trough. |
| 1:17.3 | And finally, from a valuation perspective, the Equity Risk Premium has fallen sharply since late March, and is also right in line with the 2009 experience. |
| 1:27.0 | The big difference between today and 2009 comes down to interest rates, more specifically longer-term interest rates or 10-year Treasury yields. |
| 1:34.9 | In 2009, during the worst part of the downturn, and while the banking system was in the middle |
| 1:39.4 | of a financial crisis, 10-year Treasury yields remained well above 2%. Today we are stuck well below 1% and closer to 50 basis points. |
| 1:48.0 | Just as important in my view is the observation of 10-year real rates are deep in negative territory, whereas in 2009 |
| 1:54.9 | real rates are well above 1% and never really threaten the zero bound. |
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