This is the recent interview with Nick Gillespie, and my guest today is podcaster Mike Pesca,

who publishes the GIST podcast every weekday. The GIST is 30 minutes of smart, engaged interviews

with really interesting, often controversial people, and it includes Mike's own sensible and fact-driven

analysis of the news. I listen to it most days of the week. I highly recommend it.

He's a veteran of NPR and Slate, and perhaps unsurprisingly, he's a leading critic of legacy

media, especially its willingness to overthrow long-standing commitments to objectivity and fairness

in pursuit of progressive versions of moral clarity.

We talk about his controversial 2021 separation from Slate after he defended a New York Times reporter's

use of the N-word in a Slack channel at Slate.

This is a story that you don't want to miss.

It says so much about

where media is these days or media are these days I we also talk about why so many

newspapers are failing and whether media gatekeeping had any real value back in

the day Mike thinks it of it more highly than I do, to be quite honest. In any case,

this is a great conversation, and it is the reason interview with Mike Peska.

This is the reason interview with Nicholas.

Thank you all.

Thank you all for coming out.

Our guest today is Mike Peska, a multi-generational, that's the wrong word, a multi-decadeal

journalist who is also the host of The Gist,

which you say is the longest running daily news show by a guy named Mike Pesca.

Right, right.

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