Hello and welcome back to another episode of Prosecuting Donald Trump.

Well despite Trump's efforts to stop it, Mike Pence testified before the January 6th

grand jury actually in record time.

So should that make Trump nervous?

That's going to be the first of our topics and I'm here with Mary McCord who's actually

written about this for the MSNBC legal blog.

So welcome Mary.

Good to be here as always Andrew.

So that's going to be our first topic and then we're going to talk about two other things.

One is a pretty outlandish letter just to let you know what I think that was written

by one of Trump's attorneys to Congress basically saying, hey we can't control D.J.

you should.

And then finally we're going to take a crack at what happened last week in what I call

the oxymoron, the civil rape trial that is ongoing in New York against Donald Trump.

And we'll talk a little bit about what we expect might happen this week as well as

recent shenanigans and letters that happened over the weekend in the Eugene Carroll case.

So with that, Mary why don't we talk about Mike Pence and your take on it.

So I think maybe the first thing before we get to your much more area diet position that

I was reading about from you, what do we start with the issue of what does this mean

in terms of reading the tea leaves in terms of where Jack Smith is if he is put Mike Pence in.

I know there were a lot of people on cable news talking about that issue.

And I wanted to get your take on what do you think this means in terms of Jack and whether

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