Hello, friends and neighbors, and welcome back to the Bill Press pod.

You know, you don't hear a lot about him, but check almost any video coming out of the White House,

and there he is, standing by Trump's side without saying a word, like a wax museum statue,

Vice President Mike Pence.

In some ways, he's the mystery man of the Trump White House.

The fact is, even after almost three years, we don't know a lot about Mike Pence.

Who the hell is he?

What makes him tick? What influence, if any,

does he have in the Trump White House? And most importantly, how can a man who's supposed to be

a devout Christian support another man who paid $130,000 to a porn star not to talk about her affair with him and who's been accused

of sexual abuse by over 20 women. Well, Tom Lobionco is the first to look into and expose the real

Mike Pence. He does so in his new book, Just Out, Piety and Power, Mike Pence and the Taking of the White House.

And Tom Villaniaco joins us today on the Bill Press pod.

Tom, a longtime friend, good to see you.

Thank you for having me, Bill.

Congratulations.

Thanks.

And thanks for bringing Mike Pence to us.

But I want to dive, I want to dive right in with the issue of the day.

How closely is Mike Pence connected to the efforts by Donald Trump to get Ukraine to interfere in the 2020

election by investigating Joe Biden.

Is Mike Pence a player in that scandal?

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