L.A. has the largest jail system in the country.

You got people that been in jail just like one time and their life can't get nothing because of whatever mistake they made.

I stole some ground turkey because I wanted to feed my family. We was hungry.

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From KCRW Santa Monica and KCRW.com, it's the treatment. It's The Treatment.

Welcome to The Treatment. I'm Elvis Mitchell.

My guest, Michael Mallee's had the fortune of being directed by two actors, both Clint Eastwood

and the new film Sully, but also George Clooney and Leatherheads.

He's probably most famous for those you've been spending time in hotel rooms

from watching many episodes of Yes, Dear, which you can't escape from.

But he also, an Emmy nominee for his terrific role on Glee is Bert Hummel.

The dad who discovers his son is gay and is trying to work with him.

But he also played a gay cop.

My name is Earl. He's here now because he's a creator of the new show on Stars,

Survivor's Remorse. First of all, thanks for being here, Mike. Elvis, a big, big, long-time fan.

It's great to be sitting with you and talking about everything. Do you feel like you're more of an actor or a writer? Because I just wonder that. Well, I think that I think more as a writer, as an actor, it's been what I've done the most since I started out. I got into this because I love performing. I loved being a part of a team. I love the idea of, you know, being with everybody and doing something and putting

it on. And one of the reasons I started writing is because I wasn't getting any of the parts that I wanted.

So I said, I said, man, I got to start writing myself apart so people can see that I can actually do this.

And so I wrote a play when I was living in New York in the early 90s called Three Years from

30.

So, you know, it was about the time in your life where I think around 27, 28 years old is where

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