You know, one of the things that was fun talking about in today's episode is what the distant

future would look like in exactly six months. Howdy? I'm Jeff Goldsmith, and this is the Q&A.

My agenda is simple. Each week, I plan to bring you in-depth insights into the creative process of

storytelling. And yes, yes, I kid, I kid, six months is just enough for today's guest, writer-director,

Ben David Grabinski, who's with us to discuss his new film, Mike and Nick and Nick and Alice,

which you could watch right now on Hulu. And you know what? I was lucky enough to see it on the

big screen with the crowd, and it was a rowdy crowd they were having fun

watching it so that was fun but you know what you don't even need to leave your house you could

watch it on hulu right now and if you happen to also be an emmy voter it is eligible for an emmy

so keep that in mind as well but look it was really fun to talk to talk to Ben David Grabensky about what it took to make this film

and get it in the can, especially with all the wild music rights, which is really just one of

the many fun parts of this conversation.

So I know you'll dig this episode.

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But now without any further ado, let's jump right into our interview with writer-director

Ben David Grabinski for his latest film, Mike and Nick and Nick and Alice, which you could

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