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Hey everyone, John Heilman here and welcome to Hell and High Water,

my new podcast from the recount with big ups to the one and only Rizza for our dope theme music.

We are two weeks out from Election Day by any definition,

the home stretch with more than 20 million early votes already cast,

one debate left to go, and Donald Trump trailing Joe Biden in virtually every available national

and background state poll.

With Trump evidently in such deep trouble, we thought it would be a grand idea

to sit down with two of the sharpest, savviest political strategist I have dealt with in my career,

and two of the most savage and effective full-time tormentors of Trump,

both of whom it so happens were until recently loyal and lifelong Republicans.

The first is my pal, co-host with David Axelrod of the excellent podcast,

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