And the Welcome to Conversations to Conversations. I'm Bill Crystal. Very pleased to be joined again today by my old friend Mike Murphy. I think we did this about a year ago and we did I haven't

bothered to look at it to see how it stands up but we'll forget about that I've

been afraid to going forward let's we'll discuss the state of politics Mike a

veteran ran presidential campaigns,

Senate gubernatorial campaigns,

congressional, everything.

I started with Hoover, I'm that old.

Yeah, you are.

Now you're one of the best and fantastic McCain campaign of 2000. I still have such fond memories of and a different era

it wasn't it amazing and you know teach it USC a little bit and still do corporate

and political stuff.

I don't teach, I might, but right now I just help a little at the USC Center for the

Political Future, which has a lot of cool programming online you can check out.

And I'm, of course, now, I'm reaching out to the kids on the

interweb bill with this all pod talking thing yeah I hear they like that

what that pod thing is yeah how does that work you know I'm imagine like radio Is that like radio? It's like radio, but there's no antenna and it's complicated.

But anyway, you have an excellent podcast with our friend David Axelrod,

there's also been a guest on conversations, called Hacks, appropriately and conversations called Hacks on tap.

The theory was, I'll give you the one minute plug here.

Then you don't have to pay me the usual $100 for this, but happy to be here as always.

Acts and I have been friends for a long, long time,

good personal friends, even though we disagree on everything.

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