This is Joe Biden looking at the mirror and looking at the Constitution deciding I've got to make the ultimate sacrifice here for the country.

But he's taking a very reckless, reckless risk and somebody ought to look him in the eye and tell him that. Lots of news this week for the front runner in the Republican presidential

primaries Donald Trump and also the front runner I guess that's what we'd call

him for the Democratic nomination

President Joe Biden. So I think both parties are asking is there a plan B I mean one

party's asking a little more vocally and publicly than the other but it's definitely a conversation happening is there a plan B for either of these parties and either of these candidates

To pick someone's brain who's been thinking a little bit in either of these candidates.

To pick someone's brain who's been thinking a little bit about this,

our old friend Mike Murphy, fan favorite of the Call Me Back podcast,

lots of demand for Murphy.

We wanted to check in with him on what he's been thinking about the

plan B for either party. Mike, as our listeners know, worked on 26 gubernatorial and US Senate

races across the country country including 12 wins in

blue states something that's getting harder and harder to do he was a top

strategist for John McCain, Mitt Romney, Jeb Bush, and Arnold Schwarzenegger.

In fact, you can see him in the new Arnold Schwarzenegger

docu series on Netflix.

He's a political analyst for NBC and MS NBC.

Mike is co-host of one of my favorite political podcasts, Hacks on Tap, which if you're not a subscriber already,

I highly recommend that you become one. He also pens a political newsletter, which you can find on sub-stack.

Just search for Mike Murphy and sub-stack,

and you'll find it.

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