Welcome back to KafaroCast, everybody. Frank and Aaron here.

And we have a special guest, a bit of a mule deer hunting expert, maybe.

I would say.

But you kill all kinds of shit.

We've got the man Mike DuPlan.

I've had an evolution of sorts.

I'd be an exceptional sheep hunter if I could afford it more and draw more tags.

Yeah, I was going to say, I'd say, Mike, one of the most, well, not to get into the wormhole, but you're not a, in my opinion, probably as well known as you could or should be, for the simple fact, you don't get into the social media game as much

as others would you know because i don't really have an uh i guess there's not really a purpose for me

to try to market myself it's i have a profession that i'm in and i have a job i don't need to make

a living doing it so there's not that motivation to try to make money by putting my face out there three times a day.

I can tell you, Frank and I are getting a fuck off as soon as we can. I was, I was thinking

about that the other day. Like a lot of the more well-known people or the less well-known people

are like the people that have more experience

and um like clay lancaster for instance or like the landcasters those guys are freaking sheep hunting

gods basically they established themselves right did it before social media was even a thing so

you know they basically had to work without it. And now there's, it's a completely different dynamic out there. It's the world we live in. It's like it, love, it, leave it. It doesn't really matter. It's not going away. Well, actually, I got asked on a, somebody else's podcast the other day, what's my goal? And I said, to get the fact of it's my goal it's my goal. And they were kind of silent. And I was like, you guys don't understand 10 years ago when I met my wife. I didn't have a phone, a computer, or an email. I'd like to get back to there as soon as I possibly can. But as you said it, we make a living at this. And we like to help people. We sell a product. So you kind of have to. I mean, you think about what we had 10 to 15 years ago.

He had a few select magazines.

You had to write an article for one of these few select magazines and had to have people read it.

And that was your only way of basic, either that or a forum message board.

Yeah.

And those were your only two ways of reaching people.

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