What's up, everyone? This is Anthony Popliano. Most of you know me as Pomp. You're listening

Off the Chain, simply the best podcast in crypto. Let's kick this thing off.

Mike Dutis is the founder of the block, a crypto-focused community to help people cut through

the noise. He previously co-founded Button and worked at Venmo and PayPal.

In this conversation, Mike and I discussed the role of media in the crypto industry,

why Coinbase is the most important company in the space,

and which media outlet he thinks is more entertainment than substance.

I learned a lot about the intersection of content and crypto in this one,

so I hope you find it as fascinating as I did.

Anthony Pompliano is a partner at Morgan Creek Digital.

All opinions expressed by Pomp or his guests on this podcast are solely their opinions and do not reflect the opinions of Morgan Creek Digital or Morgan Creek Capital Management.

You should not treat any opinions expressed by Pomp as a specific inducement to make a particular investment or follow a

particular strategy, but only as an expression of his opinion. This podcast is for

informational purposes only. Why don't you just give us a little bit about your background and kind of what got you into crypto?

Absolutely. So Mike Dutis, a relatively recent entrant into the crypto ecosystem full-time.

In 2013, started to dabble, bought Bitcoin. I was working at the time at Braintree, the payment processor.

We had customers like Uber, Airbnb, and obviously all of the big crypto companies wanted

to work with them.

So Coinbase came to us and said, hey, do you want to accept Bitcoin in your gateway?

And at the time, we chose not to, but it developed an interest in my an interest in my mind, you know, talking with the

Andreessen folks, talking with the Coinbase folks, and reading Chalmoths, you know, everybody

should put one to three percent of their net worth into crypto at that time. I was like, hmm,

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