like adding length to create a championship course is just so

backwards, you know, like to difficulty. All it does it just favors the long hitters more and more.

Yeah.

It's the places that where it makes sense to do that is to do it,

is to do it where, you know, there's already a long difficult hole.

And it's already a three shot hole for somebody.

You know, adding 40 yards to a 350 yard hole only makes a medium you know par 4 that is impossible for the

average guy to get to regularly and still a wedge for the better player.

I miss a green for example I'm already upset when I find my ball in the bunker I'm really upset and when I find my ball in a fried egg

fried egg the dreaded fried egg fried egg fried egg fried egg fried egg I'm about ready to run off the golf course. So, Ladies and gentlemen welcome back to another episode of the Friday

podcast today we're joined by Mike DeVries one of today's

forefront architects he's designed great golf courses such as Cape Wickham, Kingsley Club, Graywell Wells, and also some nice public courses such as Pilgrims Run and also done some very high profile

restoration such as the Meadow Club out in San Francisco area.

Mike, welcome on.

Thank you. I appreciate it. Looking forward to being a part of the show.

Yeah, yeah, it'll be fun to talk architecture.

These conversations always get into deep and dark rabbit holes.

Well, that's good.

It's a passion that I've grown up with since I was a kid and I'm just lucky I get to do it every day.

Yeah, so I, it's usually how I like to start these is I'm always curious about how you got in to architecture and when you knew that you wanted to be an architect.

So you've had this passion since you were a kid?

Yeah, my grandfather taught me the game when I was six or eight years old and so I was I just was immediately attracted to golf. It was something that I did with my maternal grandparents and an uncle who was a really good player.

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