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Migrants are heading south now, not north

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USA TODAY

News, Daily News

4.11.2K Ratings

🗓️ 10 November 2025

⏱️ 13 minutes

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Summary

After record highs in 2024, border crossings have collapsed. ICE raids, deportations and new asylum limits are now driving a wave of reverse migration. Arizona Republic Immigration Reporter Daniel González shares what he saw in Mexico and Panama — and what comes next.

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0:00.0

President Donald Trump campaigned on securing the nation's borders and deporting undocumented

0:07.1

immigrants he described as dangerous criminals. Since taking office as administration has pursued

0:13.1

an aggressive enforcement agenda, deploying ICE agents, conducting workplace and neighborhood

0:18.9

sweeps, and ramping up deportations. As a result, migrants planning a new life in the U.S. are increasingly reconsidering the risky track north.

0:29.7

Welcome to USA Today's The Excert. I'm Dana Taylor. Today is Monday, November 10, 2025.

0:36.1

Trump's crackdown on undocumented migration is now contributing to a reversal of

0:40.8

flows in Mexico and Central America. Longtime immigration reporter Daniel Gonzalez of the Arizona

0:47.7

Republic traveled to Mexico's southern border and to Panama to speak with migrants reevaluating

0:54.0

their American dream.

0:56.0

Daniel, thank you so much for coming on the excerpt.

0:58.0

Thank you so much for having me.

1:00.0

Let's start with what border crossing numbers look like now.

1:04.0

How drastic is the change at the U.S.-Mexico border?

1:09.0

Impact at the southern border is very, very dramatic.

1:12.6

I've been writing about immigration here in Arizona for 25 years,

1:16.6

and I've never seen a situation like we have now where there's so few people crossing.

1:21.6

We visited the border extensively back in April,

1:26.6

and there were hardly any migrants crossing at all. It's a very,

1:32.8

very remarkable dramatic decrease in migration following record numbers of encounters that were

1:41.4

taking place during the previous four years. Just to give you an example, in August of 2023,

1:50.1

border-wide, there were 232,000 encounters of undocumented people along the southern border.

1:59.0

In August of this year, there were 9,000. So it gives you an idea of what a

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