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This is the Tom Harbin program.

And welcome back, Donald Trump tells his team, this is fascinating, this is in the Rolling Stone

magazine. In fact, the headline, Trump tells team he needs to be president again to save himself

from criminal probes. I'm really torn. I mean, I remember back in 2016 thinking, Hillary Clinton's

fairly weak Democratic candidate, she's had years and years and years of the Republicans just

tearing her down. And a lot of her husband's policies, we're popular back in the 90s when we

really believed that shipping our factories to Asia and Mexico might be a good thing,

because all these cool white collar jobs were coming with the internet and the whole information

age. And maybe it was okay to give tax cuts to billionaires, maybe they really would revive

America. Actually, I shouldn't say us because I was not in that crowd. I was always opposed to

those policies, always. But nonetheless, a lot of people, a lot of good Democrats thought,

yeah, let's give it a try. But by 2020 or 2016, rather, we had figured out that Clinton's

policies are his embrace in neoliberalism. He did a lot of good things. Bill Clinton deserves

some considerable credit for being a reasonable president. But his specifically neoliberal

policies really hurt America and specifically hurt the middle class. And his mass incarceration

policies hurt people of color quite badly. And so, you know, fast forward 20 years later,

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