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Welcome to Mist Apex Podcast. Hi, Spanners here, just dropping in for a quick midweek buffet.

Later in the show, we've got a fabulous interview with Mark Preston, who was not only one of the best formulae bosses on the grid,

but also spearheaded the technical team that launched the dream that was Super Aguri F1.

I was smiling all the way through that interview. It's an interview that you can just melt into, so I really hope you enjoy that as much as I did.

And a little bit earlier today, we caught up with Mike Callfield, who was the head strategist at Hars,

and he helped us be better armchair strategists, and gave us a bit of a real insight actually into the driver mindset

when they're picking what strategies they're going to try and approach in the race.

So here it is now.

Here at Mist Apex Podcast, we consider ourselves trendsetters, and that's why we had an F1 strategist on Mist Apex Podcast before it was cool.

Joining Matt and I today is Mike Callfield, who was a strategist at Mercedes and at Hars, has it going Mike?

Yeah, it could be back.

First question, who do you prefer, the Mercedes team or the Hars team, who were the best?

I wouldn't say sporting wise, but who were just the better human beings?

I mean, the great guys at both teams, I can't really split them up between the two.

Okay, but let me be nosy. There must have been a massive difference in atmospheres between a probably the more corporate Mercedes team,

and there may be more of a privateer attitude in the Hars garage.

Yeah, I mean, there were obviously different, the massive scales to the teams which are different.

So obviously, you've got many Mercedes ladies who are close to a thousand people.

Hasses, yeah, I mean, the best word, 200, 250.

I guess my role was slightly different between the two, because I was travelling a lot more with the Housewife,

travelling full time with Housewives, Mercedes, I was mainly factory based.

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